The VoiParty website describes their new MLM opportunity this way:
Turn Your Existing Phone and Internet Service into a lucrative Home Based Business.
Voiparty is the world’s first international peer-to-peer IXC network. IXC or Inter-Exchange Communications is a multi-billion dollar monthly revenue stream generated on the wholesale side of the telecommunications industry. This passive income stream has never been offered as a home based business opportunity. Through our unique network architecture you can plug into this revenue stream by simply connecting your home telephone and internet to our VoiParty Connection device. This is a home based business opportunity unlike anything that has ever seen before.
The idea seems brilliant. If you have a high speed Internet connection and have an area code in the USA or Canada (only countries open as of this review date), you can buy their equipment earn money by serving as an incoming router for Internet calls into your area code.
Uniquely, VoiParty is saying up front that this a “limited time” opportunity. Evidently, after they have sufficient portals in each area code, they will not need more
Voiparty is structured in such a way, that for a limited time – you can become a VIP member and get paid to help grow our network.
The Company: The VoiParty website gives the follow information about the company:
Voiparty is a technology holding company formed in 2005 with the express purpose of turning a brilliant idea into a reality. Our founders have over 50 years of combined experience in the field of telecommunications, e-commerce and internet marketing. Over the past four years we have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of man hours to develop the technology that has allowed us to create the world’s first peer-to-peer interexchange carrier.
Founders and Executives:
VoiParty Compensation Plan: a 3 x 12 forced matrix with qualifications to get paid on the deeper levels. Download the Comp Plan PDF.
(Caution: while there is nothing inherently wrong with a “forced matrix” plan, they usually come with a promise of “”spillover.” Spillover occurs when your sponsor or other people in your upline place people below you. The ‘whole truth’ is that spillover only happens if you have a sponsor or upline close to you in the matrix who are recruiting lots of people. Often, that is not the case.)
Costs: $199 one time for the equipment and $29 per year. Beyond that the company claims that there are “No Quotas, No Monthly Minimums, and No Monthly Recurring Fees.”
Return Policy or Guarantee: see Policies and Procedures
VoiParty Policies and Procedures
VoiParty LLC
42223 Del Prado Blvd. S.
Cape Coral, FL 33904
Critical Review: VoiPartyReview.com posts some important analysis to consider.
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I am a little concerned that Voiparty may be a scam. No detailed biography is available for any of the principals. Nobody answers their phone. Emails are not returned.
There is also the charge on scam.com that your home phone could be used to funnel spam phone calls through your number and that is where the real money is. I don’t know very much about telcom industry, like most people, so we all could be easily sucked into something that sounds good but is , in fact, no good.
Colm,
I understand your concerns. However, I have met with Joe Machado and Ciro Martinez. I do have a Voiparty “telephone pole” as they call it and so far, all looks legit.
Joe is a very transparent guy and the amount of money they collect for the “poles” is clearly not enough to “scam” anyone in my opinion. VP has a 5000+ sq ft. facility, employees and 2 Net work operation centers as well as a POP. All this is overhead for the company and they would have sell thousands and thousands of boxes each month just to break even, hardly worth the trouble when you understand the IXC market place.
The real money will be made in the wholesale IXC market. If you understand this market place you’ll understand the upside which is 100 times the potential of selling boxes and routing spam calls as projected on a website you may have seen.
Scam.com is a site that looks for scams and will do anything it can to get press, that is what all websites are ultimately about, getting visitors and profiting from such. As we all know the Enquirer makes a fortune speculating on things.
Yes, I’m a participating agent. However, I have been in the industry a while and so far what I see looks like a tremendous opportunity, free from any type of illegitimate activities.
I have had over 20 personal phone calls with Joe, met him twice, met his wife and I truly believe these guys are for real and most importantly honest.
Only time will tell how Voiparty’s opportunity and business plan play out, but I am happy to be on board the Voiparty ship.
Tom Russo
tom@voipartyusa.com
Regarding VoIParty (Voice over Internet Protocol) I have some questions that need to be answered before I would jump on the deal.
First and foremost I would need a clear explanation of how, how meaning what kind of equipment, is the parent company who cuts the commission check, going to be using to monitor each persons “box” or minutes?
I worked for Verizon Americast for 3 years and while Americast was their cable services division I was in a building with all the accounting and techie folks whom I milked continually for information.
One very funny and alarming fact I found, was the fact that Verizon (GTE Bell) lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe more but could get none of accounting to give me solid figure) every month due to billing errors caused by technical problems with equipment.
Tom King,
I think I can answer most all your questions and concerns.
If not, maybe we can get Joe Machado on the line and get them answered for you.
Joe is the CEO.
Tom Russo
Sr. Vice President
Voipartyusa.com
941-518-9199
Another program to watch out for. Will this be a big success or just one of those programs that end up with horror stories? Good luck to the organizers. Good luck and Happy Holidays!
I think the idea is a good one. I’ve checked out Voiparty best I can. I’ve checked with the Florida Better Business Bureau, they give Voiparty a B rating. I have talked to Joe Machado using their toll free number. I went ahead and joined last week.
John
Does the FCC authorize Voiparty or what? let me know…
thanks
Sunny,
I spoke with Joe Machado, the CEO about this. At this point, Voiparty is not required to be authorized to terminate calls via the FCC.
Once Voiparty hits the retail phase in 12-24 months, we will then have to get specific licenses to continue this type of business.
For now, Warren and Warren is their legal firm and they appear to be doing business the right way.
Tom Russo
Sr. Vice President
Voipartyusa.com
tom@voipartyusa.com
FCC does not regulate this king of business if you don’t beleive it look at skype they are not regulated by the FCC. This is not a scam it is a legitimate business opportunity.
This is not true. Any company which originates or terminates calls to the public telephone system in the United States is regulated by the FCC. You do not need any license or special permission to operate, but FCC rules do apply. Additionally, all businesses in the United States fall under the jurisdiction of the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) if they are operating across state lines.
I am considering joining under the sponsorship of a long time friend whose integrity I trust. However, I am not sure that my friend has clearly resolved the question “What happens to the last level of people who get on the VOIParty bus?” That is, when the system reaches full saturation – which all MLM systems MUST at some point, how do the folks who cannot then have a “downline” end up knowing that they at least got their money’s worth out of their $200+ investment? I have heard talk of “free phone service” and/or X%$ payouts for access to these end users’ “phone poles”, but this is all a little fuzzy to me still. Can you direct met to the company’s written policies on this? – Thanks, Chris Gruener
Great question about what happens down the road, assuming this effort gets close to full saturation. Success is often enough the biggest killer of a non-scalable enterprise.
Setting aside legal questions raised by others, this could be designed as a scalable technology, but still, what happens to the lowest level people – what’s in it for them? The answer that they still get a percentage of revenue generated by calls through their node clearly means they get less than other people who benefit from having downline people.
The VoiParty designers could do something else, however, if they choose. They could make the upfront cost that much cheaper. They could give a higher percentage of the revenue to those lowest on the totem pole. There could be sharing of revenue across all members, who all benefit from the network effect of greater participation by more people. That’s how I would design a MLM system, to be more fair to later participants, thus making it an easier sell to be an earlier participant.
But another thing to keep in mind is what happens to your phone bill and internet service bill down the road. If this system is successful, that will take away profits from the phone companies, who will have to raise prices to compensate their fixed costs. It will also increase bandwidth usage through internet services and the cost of increasing the installed capability will also be passed on to end users. So it might end up costing about the same as it does now.
So the real question, for the survival of the business, is whether this is actually more or less efficient overall compared to a more centralized approach as we have now. Letting the local phone companies manage the distribution of their long-distance termination points could be more efficient than letting many independent individuals buy into owning a part of that network. I am all in favor of increasing distribution rather than centralization, for greater reliability and sharing of wealth, but we should also factor in the efficiency question. A little inefficiency and redundancy is probably worth it, but not a lot.
Hi Chris,
I think that it is one of the best questions that anyone could ask of any MLM company because even if it doesn’t influence you it could potentially influence many people at saturation. It is one that I asked of Voiparty too.
I am not the end all when it comes to this answer but I believe that I am fairly accurate in my understanding of the answer as it was explained to me.
The compensation plan outlines only the compensation that a person makes on Bonus Volume and the termination of minutes each month created within a person’s down line. What it does not specifically address is the compensation that will be created for distributors in the retail part of the business. This is the shock absorber, if you will, that will allow Voiparty to transition from the network building phase into the retail phase of their growth and still create income for all of its members. They haven’t disclosed the specifics of how this will work exactly nor have they guaranteed that the return will be as available as it is for those enter early but it has been discussed on many occasions.
They are very aware of this transition period and have assured me and others that they will not leave anyone behind…however, I will throw in that, as is the case with any opportunity, it is always best to get in as early as possible to realize the greatest return. Did you ever have someone suggest a stock to buy and you waited to see how it was going to do? Well, usually people wait too long and the best returns have already been taken by those who acted with immediacy…this may be a similar kind of crossroad for you.
I hope this helps and I wish you the best. Email me if you need more in-depth information about any part of the Voiparty opportunity at WmSarv@Gmail.com
Thanks,
Wm
I went to the office of Voiparty. Did reaserch and looked at the operations. I understand this concept and I joined. It looks very good. Also I have been in MLM’s before the start up fee for this is low compared with other MLM’s and no minimum monthly. This is only phase 2 of this business. You must take some risks to get rewards and the risk is not that much for the potential this company has.
Is voiparty in any way connected with vonage and does it have a similar working process and will it be competitive with vonage Thanks Leo
No! This is offered as a business opportunity right now. VoiParty is going by phases. We are now in Phase II. This business is bigger than anyone thinks. If you want more information. Just email me. Hope this answers your questions.
Just signed on. Someone I talked to said this is a scam. Would like more info myself. Thanks.
I have been a licensed financial adviser for 10 years. I saw a stat when I first started in the industry. 100 people at retirement, 1 was wealthy, 3 were financially well off (had $1 million to $3 million), the rest were either still working, dependent on their children, dead broke or just plain dead.
Every time I met with a new family, 90% were living a lie. They had no savings, way too much debt and not enough income, paycheck to paycheck, too much month at the end of the money, etc. It wasn’t because they were not hard workers or smart people. It was because they were uninformed or were taking the wrong advice from the wrong person. They didn’t know what to do. They didn’t have a written plan to follow. I love when people take financial advice from their plumber, their friends at work, the neighbor that’s a roofer, etc. My main point is that most people need more money and less debt.
VoiParty provides a very easy way to generate an extra $500 to $2500, $5000, $10,000 or more a month and it’s all passive and residual. This opportunity will change lives and lifestyles for those who sign on.
If you are here, you ARE considering buying a VoiParty Digital telephone pole. You want to buy, but you are doing your DD and looking for justification to buy it, right? That’s ok. That’s what I did. I did my due diligence and got the facts. I suggest you do not listen to the haters, skeptics, uninformed or the misinformed. Listen to the people who actually know about the company and are involved. Call the CEO, go visit the FL office if you can, get in touch with me, etc. I went to the FL office, I met with the CEO. I saw checks from the local members and now I have received my own checks. I had to make sure this company was AS advertised before I started sharing it with my family and friends.
I will tell you that it is a real company. It is legit, and registered with the BBB. I have a “box” in my home office. It is plugged in and generates revenue. I only buy income producing assets because I am a conservative investor. I do a lot of homework before I invest in anything, be it a VoiParty box, a fix and flip property, a stock or option, etc.
I live in Denver and the people that got be involved are all in the Seven figures. I am a six figure guy and I want to be at the next level, so I listened to THEM. They said, buy a box, plug it in and tell everyone I know to do the same. So I did. I suggest you do the same, unless you don’t need any extra money. You can watch 2 five minute videos, see a FAQ section and buy a box made my Linksys, part of Cisco. There’s a link at Steelman’s post above where these videos are and I found it to be very informative. Get the Facts.
Sincerely,
Joe
Hi Leo,
I am an agent with VOIParty too. They are not in any way connected with Vonage nor do they have a similar process. They don’t even compete. VOIParty makes their money by connecting calls between 2 separate networks. So if the Vonage customer calls a Verizon customer, Vonage pays a termination fee to an interexchange carrier. So VOIParty makes money off of Vonage and any other carrier’s business.
The business is a wholesale business and that is what makes it so great. You as an agent do not have to find customers and you do not have to sell. Just plug your box in and Voiparty will provide the customers. Help grow the network and you can do well financially. I wrote an article on it at http://jointheparty.meetKevinJohnson.com
- Kevin Johnson
Folks,
I recognize your skepticism and quite honestly agree that you should be skeptical. However, Voiparty will start to terminate (connect) calls in February 2010.
There is nothing like seeing a product in action and validating it is for real.
If you wish to hang back and wait to join, I think you should. However, if you want to come on board before the rush, join now as prices go up in February.
There are a few other benefits you’ll gain as well. If interested, call me.
Keep in mind there is a 30 day money back guarantee prior to 2.1.10
After this there will be a 30-day money back guarantee and a prorated guarantee on the provisioning aspect of the digital telephone pole since this is labor intensive.
We are getting accredited with the BBB and doing what we can to help all of you see Voiparty is for real.
For now, we wish you all the best and If I can help, my number is below.
I am an agent, not an employee of Voiparty. If you are an agent, please contact your up line.
Tom Russo
Sr. Vice President
941-518-9199
Tom,
My sister has invited me to join and I am seriously considering this.
My two main questions at this time; Do I have to have a seperate phone line/number with DSL service or can this be run from the one I already have in my home and secondly but most importantly if VoiParty is brought up for legal charges by ANYONE can we the “telephone pole” holders in anyway be held responsible for any charges/fines etc?
I don’t know the answer to the question about whether you need a separate phone line for use with VoiParty. If I understand how it works, calls come in via your internet service, which calls out via your phone to local area phones. So if someone is using your phone, that means you cannot.
Also, once a connection is made through your phone line, there would be no way to automatically switch over to someone else’s phone line. So if the call gets disconnected for any reason (say you are allowed to interrupt the call to use your phone) then a new call would have to be made through another connection. This would seem to be a rather severe practicality problem, unless I am misunderstanding how it works.
In comparison, the phone company could automatically switch-over calls to different long-distance termination points without the users having to make new calls or noticing any change. I don’t know if they do this now, but they could.
I went to an informational/recruting meeting tonight, and left with more questions than I went there with. Just a couple to start: VOIparty claims to have the best lawyers and SEC guys working on their protocol, and claim it’s all legit, which I believe. However, what happens when a class-action lawsuit happens down the line and everyone who bought into the company gets hammered? It happened to Amway, with a similar MLM style matrix. I don’t sweat the initial money to get in, but I want to make sure I don’t get hit down the line by a suit that takes my house and everything I have, just because there’s fine print that someone didn’t disclose. I agree, this company sounds completely legit, I just want to make sure of the legal ramifications first, and so far no one has been able to explain it to me. Thanks!
I watched the presentation about what and how the company will do things and found it explained about the internet service and telephone systems in a very simplified manner.
One can not fault a company for wanting to sell their service and products to will indiviuals. They will make money from the participants through the sale of the boxes, the annual fees and the revenues from calls. The problem I have is that the telephone pole analogy is wrong. You buy the box which is the pole but the line in not yours or voiparty. Some entity ATT, Time Warner or any number of internet service providers have gone through the cost of laying out and paying for the infrastruture to deliver your internet and phone services. That includes the fiber, switches, servers, employees and so on.
Service flows to you and others on your street like your electricity. All of you use some portion of the load going to your street. Everyone lives fine until someone opens an outlet mall on your street without increasing service capacity. All of you experience problems right away in the form of outages. The remedy is to increase capacity which means more lines, done by more people and more swicthes and switch rooms with more people. Which means more money and since no company really absorbs its cost it will be passed on in higher internet service fees.
Your internet service which right now is modestly priced and normally unlimited. There are moves being made to charge you by the gigabyte at very high rates compared to what they are now.
Voiparty’s offices are small because they do not have all the normal hardware to monitor. I do not believe that it is a scam because you are all adults and can do what you wish with your money. I do believe it is shortsighted and preys on the lack of knowledge of the average person. Many have no idea what is involved to make the internet work and for all they know the internet fairy gives them service when they pay their bills to the big bad service provider.
First, I need all of you to know, I am an agent with the rank of Exec. Vice President. Many of you assumed I was an employee of VP. I am not. I can understand based on my prior title why one could assume that. I apologize for any confusion it may have caused.
You do not need a second line. However, since VP is not using its own network yet, they have purchased 3rd party VOIP lines making the quality at this point less than we would like it to be.
This will not be an issue soon, we hope in about 6 months. However, IF your phone line is your lifeline you may have issues from the standpoint of technical glitches from time to time. This is why VParty is recommending that people get a second line so that all will be happy. VParty does not want angry people and they are very transparent about where we are at in the process.
My business keeps growing and I keep working it as I believe in Joe Machado, the CEO and this product. Thank you all for the positive comments on my posts.
Tom Russo
Agent for Voiparty.
941 518 9199
p.s. I would respectfully ask you to call the person who introduced you to Vparty for questions. However, if you do not have a sponsor then I will be happy to help you get started.
This is all retarded. VOIP technology is much cheaper than this buy in amount. And this is something that telecom industry is already doing! Why do you think most of the time and interest is put into the MLM recruiting structure, with very little time going over the technology?!
And if this tech was for real, why are they limited to needing thousand of idiots to join up and put one of these boxes in their homes!? Don’t you think they would just set this up themselves and keep all of their supposed ‘millions per month’ in revenue!?
GIANT SCAM! I’m not saying some folks won’t make some money, or haven’t already made some money, but this whole thing is a ridiculous MLM that is focused on the idea of saving money on long distance calls…..which is a retarded notion….because who pays for long distance anymore!?!?! When I called my cable company and asked if I could downgrade my phone to just local calling they said the low cost line I already had included long distance. And what about cell phones; who pays long distance on a cell phone?!
My brother-in-law emailed me that he is thinking about joining and wondered what I thought. Right now it is 50/50…still questions. At presenet, I have Time Warner as my broadband and phone carrier with a land line…no charges from SBC. My phone cost on the TW bill is around $45.00 a month…unliminted long distance in US, Canada and Mexico. I also have the privlege (cost) of a LAN line local number. I’m thninking of eliminating my LAN line (save money) and strictly using a cellphone. I understand the money making opportunity VOIP, but could you answer the following,
Could I or another party person keep my/their LAN line number at no extra charge or is ther a LEC fee to keep that? Also, with TW carrying the signal of VOIP, then I would aslo lose bandwidth…how much bandwidth would I lose? What is the QOS with this connection? I would assume that all of the boxes would need a static IP for routing? If I call from the east coast to the west coast, what would be the latency of the call?
Thank you and I look forward to a response from VOIParty.
Voip Idiot (It is the only name I have to address you, sorry…I’ll use VI from here on)
I apologize in advance for the lengthy response but there was a lot to cover.
I can sincerely understand your frustration where MLM companies are concerned. The fact is that the majority of people that get involved in MLMs do not make money. In fact, the majority of people have probably even lost their initial investment…this will not be the case where Voiparty is concerned I have looked at many MLM opportunities but have never committed to making an opportunity work like I have with Voiparty.
I am, like Tom Russo, an EVP with Voiparty. I say this to be transparent, I think that it is important that everyone knows a person’s affiliation and/or experiences with MLMs so each of us can gain insight as to why a person may hold the views that they hold. VI, I’d like to know why you are so angry with the possibility that Voiparty might be the perfect fit for a MLM structure of marketing?
VI Wrote in italics and I’m attempting to respond immediately to each item by item:
“This is all retarded. VOIP technology is much cheaper than this buy in amount.”
- You’re right, VIOP technology is cheaper but we are not promoting or buying simple VOIP technology. We are purchasing the only piece of hardware required to get this opportunity started…you will also need a high speed Internet connection and a true unlimited local calling phone line. Once the network (1.3 to 1.4 million people) is in place, Voiparty will begin the retail phase of the program (a 5 to 12 million retail customer target) which will include competing with other companies such as Vonage with competitive rates while connecting calls with clarity to nearly every LATA in the U. S. and Canada while we, as distributors, will make money on those who utilize our services. Some will know that they are using our service as retail customers and others will not because we will be delivering or terminating their long distance calls without their being aware that we are doing so.
“And this is something that telecom industry is already doing!”
- Sure, the telecom industry is doing some of the things that Voiparty can and will do. Other companies are able to allow people to talk Internet to Internet…there is no company, however, that is doing what Voiparty does. Voiparty will be positioned to deliver or terminate long distance calls for less than any other IXC company in the U.S. or Canada. Nothing wrong with a little more competition.
“Why do you think most of the time and interest is put into the MLM recruiting structure, with very little time going over the technology?!”
- People are interested in understanding the where and how the technology works but most are more interested in how they can make money. So, it is because of human nature and that people want to know first…what is in it for them…that we address the MLM recruiting structure and besides, none of it works without the the MLM structure. Voiparty did their part by creating the technology resource and now we have to build the network.
“And if this tech was for real, why are they limited to needing thousand of idiots to join up and put one of these boxes in their homes!? Don’t you think they would just set this up themselves and keep all of their supposed ‘millions per month’ in revenue!?”
- Absolutely, I entered into this opportunity with a group of CPAs and we did the numbers…it does make sense for Voiparty to take advantage of the MLM structure of marketing. The start up overhead would be too huge to create a private or in-Voiparty only network that could do what we will be able to do from our homes implementing the Voiparty connection device and our existing internet connections. They also knew that they would have to compensate their network handsomely because of, quite frankly, negativity that you and others create due to whatever experience you have had with other MLM opportunities.
“GIANT SCAM! I’m not saying some folks won’t make some money, or haven’t already made some money, but this whole thing is a ridiculous MLM that is focused on the idea of saving money on long distance calls…..which is a retarded notion….because who pays for long distance anymore!?!?!”
- Nothing is free, and long distance calling is not any different. Somewhere within our phone services we are all paying for long distance calling. Did you ever call a land line and get a person located in India? Long distance! I just purchased a new all inclusive cell phone plan…unlimited cell to cell calling, unlimited testing, unlimited data, but only 1500 minutes per month for land line calls…which are often for long distance! Did you ever call an 800 or 900 number? Land line and usually long distance. Oh yeah, some people will state that land lines are going away…this might be true but can you tell me when that might be? One year, ten years, fifty years, or maybe never?
“When I called my cable company and asked if I could downgrade my phone to just local calling they said the low cost line I already had included long distance. And what about cell phones; who pays long distance on a cell phone?!”
- I explained this some of this already in the last item. The bottom line is that there are plenty of long distance calls being made daily in the U.S. and Canada as well as around the world.
There is much more to Voiparty than the termination of long distance minutes. If you are interested in learning more about this excellent opportunity and/or you don’t have a sponsor that can answer your questions or concerns please feel free to email me. WmSarv@Gmail.com VI, you should take a better look at this opportunity, you might find more positive than you expect. I’ll be happy to take your inquiries as well.
Good luck to all who take part in growing our network.
Thanks,
Wm
Wow!! It seems to me that there are a lot of people with too much time on their hands. Most people I know with too much time on their hands that complain about everything don’t have a job. All haters.
Here’s the deal. VoiParty is not a scam. It is a legitimate business. Check out the BBB. Now, it remains to be seen whether the network and routing will perform the way it’s supposed to.
The way I see it, if it works (the box, calls, routing, etc) then the box owners will make a ton of money. If it doesn’t, then you are out $300 bucks or whatever the price is. So what…who cares?!?!?! Good luck to all the box owners! I just made up my mind to sign on..right now.
Steel
If you actually checked the BBB, you would see that Voiparty is not even registered.
If you actually looked at the info (what little amount of info is given) available on the internet you’ll see that it is a lot more complex than just plugging in the box and let the money roll in. And that there is no concrete information on the company and how much money is to be made.
You people will buy anything! Jesus Christ.
Hello Not buying it,
You should know your facts before you make statements like that. Voiparty, Inc. is registered with the BBB,
http://www.bbb.org/west-florida/business-reviews/telecommunication-companies/voiparty-in-cape-coral-fl-90075056
And it is that easy to make to money by plugging it in. I have had my box for 2.5 months now and I have received checks from the company and all have cleared the bank. All I did was buy the box, plug it in and I have told all my friends to do the same because it’s the easiest money I have ever made.
If you would like more info, there are 2 short videos here and a FAQ section. Take a look, then buy a box, unless you don’t need any extra money every month.
http://www.freeofthebox.com/legacy
Best,
Steelman
I am told we could be another week out in terms of cut over. Our Leadership meeting is each Tuesday at 3 pm EST so hopefully, I will get even more information there.
On a more positive note, I spoke to a gentlemen who goes to the corporate sponsored LOCAL meeting each week as it is only about 1 hour for him. He sees Joe Machado each week and gets a good pulse on the inner workings. His passion and commitment to this business is nothing short of amazing. He made a very interesting point to me. He said, right now many people are just sitting back and watching and we are still growing. What will happen when we actually cut checks to all you and you all see that we have a viable product? This business will explode. We have people coming in and on our waiting list based on faith, trust and hope. What will happen when all of this becomes a reality and YOU get a check for the IXC fees?
I think the growth we will see will be staggering. Many people need concrete proof that this is for real before they will stake their reputation on it. Once we do, look out!
Where are you? Will you sit back and wait to take action or will you take that first step and build a team so that when the REALITY hits the fan, you can benefit from the growth?
We are only a month away (in my opinion) to seeing ALL that has been talked about. The finalized site, the new professional video, the new back office, the new 3×12 matrix, the proof that our poles work and can terminate calls and generate income. I hope you realize it is coming, Joe is on the corporate call each week and our leadership calls twice per week. He is working 12-15 hours per day. He is not hiding. It will happen. Now, understand I am not saying you won’t see any of this for a month, I just think we will see all of it in a month.
We DO have the bios up and we do have terms and conditions and policies and procedures. We are testing the boxes this month, several hundred actually. We are making progress, just not as quickly as all of us would like to see.
Those who have the vision to see the potential that VoiParty offers will be the ones who reap the greatest rewards. Those who sit by waiting for the proof will wish they had taken action.
This idea is very suspect. The figures they are quoting for the IXC traffic is for the total volume they carry. Unfortunately, more than 80% of this traffic is originated by corporations and not residential customers. The company will not be competing for that traffic so their assumptions are incorrect. It is true that VOIP technology is making a dent in the IXC carriers revenue but that is because it never hits their switches. Examples are Skype, AIM etc. More and more people are giving up their fixed home lines in favor of their cell phones and this is a trend that will continue to happen. The question I have is why would anyone want to buy their box, maintain a high speed Internet connection AND an unlimited calling fixed line in exchange for “potential” revenue. People are cutting these costs today, not ramping then up.
Hello,
I had told myself I would never get sucked into another Network Marketing type business again, unless such an opportunity had not only a great product but the pay plan and organization were top notch and legit. When I first received an email regarding Voiparty, I will admit I deleted it right away. Something later told me to look at this again. This is a very smart idea and a good opportunity from everything I have read regarding it. Time will tell but I am now glad I hopped on board with this because it’s not only a good idea, it’s also very interesting to me.
Just my two cents worth!
Steve
Steve watch out for CAP’s on your Internet service. Many providers are looking to increase you MRC if you exceed you usage CAP.
5GB is a number that is been thrown arround.
T.
I think you should read your subscriber agreement for your high speed internet service. Mine (Comcast) states in 5b Prohibited Uses of the Service
A portion “the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the service for operation as…….or any similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-pointon a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network”
I did skip a lot of text, but the point is check out your agreement.
Oh yes, they (Comcast and all) can monitor where the internet packet comes from, where its going and whats in the packet. They can also raise your monthly cost if you use to more bandwidth than your agreement allows. They of course can cut you off if your bad.
By the way, Comcast is in the communication business also.
Just a thought to consider..
This is my main concern as well. Most individuals’ internet and home phone service clearly spell out in the service agreements that their service is for PERSONAL and NON-BUSINESS use only.
Additionally, for many people they can be charged extra for what the company determines to be “excessive use”. Phone companies usually start taking a look at your usage once you exceed 5000 minutes a month, and it looks like VOiParty wants to use as much as 9000 minutes a month to terminate calls in your area.
Upgrading your Internet service for business usage to permit this would probably be around $70/mo, and business-based phone would probably be over $100/mo.
I would like to see somebody from VOiParty address this particular issues. I don’t think their members would be happy if their Internet and phone providers started whacking them with higher charges – or worse, disconnect their service for service agreement violations.
Also, take a look at the terms VOiParty requires – you have to have a traditional land-line phone. If you have VOIP or what is marketed as “digital phone service” from your cable, DSL or satellite provider, you’re not going to qualify. In fact, if you try to use VOIP/digital phone for this, you’re going to end up with a lot of call quality issues.
People must realize that this is not MLM, this is what we have been looking for, its Referal marketing. We are not earning money from our downline. We are sharing in the revenue of the company. How would you like to get paid for refering someone to go see a movie and then get paid for all the people that they refer down 12 levels? Not in this lifetime, well this is the next best thing, we get paid for refering people to just buy a device and plug it in. There is nothing more to buy, no more money to spend nothing. Nothing could be more perfect. This is a real no brainer.
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You have to renew each year at $29.00 That sounds like buying to me.
Would it be possible to get a response from either Tom Russo or Wm Sarv, both EVP with Voiparty, on this comment from Bratfry, which is a very good one by the way:
“Bratfry March 10, 2010 at 9:34 am
I think you should read your subscriber agreement for your high speed internet service. Mine (Comcast) states in 5b Prohibited Uses of the Service
A portion “the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the service for operation as…….or any similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-pointon a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network”
I did skip a lot of text, but the point is check out your agreement.
Oh yes, they (Comcast and all) can monitor where the internet packet comes from, where its going and whats in the packet. They can also raise your monthly cost if you use to more bandwidth than your agreement allows. They of course can cut you off if your bad.
By the way, Comcast is in the communication business also.
Just a thought to consider..”
How will our telecom providers react if we are using our residential services for commercial use??? I didn’t see anything on Voiparty website that warns possible reps about this, should they want to join in. Is it legal???
Thank you.
André
Hello, first I would like to thank mlm-thewholetruth for posting my website voipartyreview.com as their “Critical Review”
I would just like to give a reality check to most people who are joining voiparty to do a business and make money.
Unless you are in the top 0.8% of the total voiparty members you will make virtually zero profit. The top 0.8% will make 87% of the profits according toe their compensation plan.
Just think of it like this, 1.3 million people have “telephone poles” in their house each averaging $36.5 per month. But if someone is being paid even $100 per month they are getting paid out for the work someone else’s voiparty box is doing which means someone isn’t making money off their box.
There will be people making thousands of dollars per month. If someone is making $5000 a month how can the people at the bottom get paid if the average revenue each box produces is $36.5? They can’t…
If someone makes more per month then each voiparty box produces in revenues someone has to be making less or next to nothing.
The compensation plan is designed to funnel almost all the money to the very top leaving nothing at the bottom which is the majority of voiparty members.
Before someone mentions you can compensate the people at the bottom of the matrix by just adding a matrix under them please realize you create a new bottom of the matrix and you can’t keep doing this. In a binary system which a width of 3 like the voiparty matrix 66.6% of the people will always have zero matrix under them no matter how many people you add.
This is not a big money making opportunity the guys at the top put it out to be. For them it is but for the vast majority of you it isn’t.
Be forewarned.
Feel free to comment, or ask questions. I will respond asap.
fyi-to get 12 levels you will need to have almost 800 000 people under you.
Hello Reviewer,
Some of the first members will see $20,ooo, $50,000 and even $100,000 a month. I did not get in that early, but most will have about 2000 gateways in their network, so most will make about $1500-$3000 a month, passive and residual. With the bonus structure, I expect to see about $4000-$5000 as I bought one of the first 8000 boxes. This is only for phase 2.
There are also about 5 phases planned with nationwide retail phone service, internet service, iTV that will all go through the boxes. This is where the bottom levels will be able to see a nice passive income.
Here’s the bottom line, I have had my box for 2.5 months. I paid $287 and have received 5 checks from the company totaling over $2000. That’s an extremely nice return for your money, wouldn’t you agree?
All I did was buy the box, plug it in and told all my friends that they need to do the same thing because it’s the easiest money I have ever made. If you want to see more info and buy a box, go here. http://www.freeofthebox.com/legacy
There are 2 short vids and a FAQ section. This is the link I bought my box through. It does take about 2-4 weeks for delivery because they are on back order with Linksys. VoiParty is getting about 300 people a day signing up. Let me know if you have any questions.
Best Regards,
Steelman
The way the big cooperations like verison wont shutdown voiparty is because voiparty set itself up to be the least expensive switch company and by going through voiparty they actually save money. To voipartyreviewer there are revenues to be made across the board 6% of the revenue of each call goes to the person anyway..they will make money.plus even for the people at the bottom there are many ways things can and will be arranged to accommodate the people at the bottom.. Before you took the time to make your website and started spitting out facts I hope you also took the time to talk to Dr.Ciro or Joe . and if you didnt i hope you will.
and p.s. Do you not think that the founders have already thought of that? and found a down the road solution? think again
Just claiming they will compensate the people at the bottom is meaningless. According to the compensation plan they will not be compensated at all and there is no money left to compensate them with since it has all been paid out to the people at the top. I have talked to several people in voiparty and they just make the same ridiculous claims of the people at the bottom will be compensated but no explanation how.
If they have so called plans of how these people will be compensated it should be published on their compensation plan but currently there is nothing.
I have heard the way they plan to compensate the people at the bottom is to open up the world and put the world under then. Which I proved on my website is complete garbage because it doesn’t work.
If they do have plans to compensate the bottom 80% of people who will have one or less person under then they better do it quick as those people will being paying $25-$29 per month for the dedicated phone line the box requires. People aren’t stupid they won’t pay for an extra phone line which they receive no compensation from for more then a month or 2.
So until voiparty explains clearly how much people with ZERO matrix under them will get paid the whole business plan is flawed.
Thanks for the complete review on Voiparty compensation plan, very well presented. Any chances you do reviews on other MLM compensation plans, i.e. FDI/GIConnect new telecommunication company claiming to be the best… IF so where could I see it.
Thanks
André
I can do more reviews on mlm company compensation plans. If you send me their corporate website and where I can find their compensation plan I’ll do a write up on them and a few more mlm companies.
Reviewer,
A second dedicated phone line was only $10 to add, chump change.
Also, the need for the second line will disappear as the current home, primary numbers will eventually port over to the VoiParty router. Then you may plug your primary phone right into the Voiparty router. At this point, you can cancel your long distance package with your existing company since the calls now are free though the Voiparty box. This in itself saves $300 a year in a current long distance plan, which more than pays for the box.
Now, you would be left with only 1 line, and a stripped down unlimited local calling phone bill with free long distance. That’s the worse thing that can happen, the box is free and you save $300 a year.
Best,
Steel
Many little tidbits add up to SCAM!!
They say: No monthly fees. But there is a $30 annual fee that they will charge to all credit cards tomorrow.
They say: Free 2′nd line. Do you call the $30/ month you pay for your 2′nd line free?
They say: Get paid just for being plugged in. But you don’t get paid from your box at all. See the payout schedule. None of the people on the bottom of the pyramid will get paid anything. How long do you think they will stay around when they figure out that they pay $360/year with no return?
When they pay you a check, they skim some out some of your payment.
Why do they want your bank account numbers? You wouldn’t give these to your most trusted neighbor. Are they planning ‘unauthorized withdrawals’?
Google: Joe Marchado scam, Robert Rudder scam, and others to see what else these clowns have been up to.
Im very tired of hearing the “none of the people at the bottom will get paid” yes the pyramid doesnt allow them too but voi party isnt stopping there. I asked that question personally to joe tonight and got a fully legit answer. Please get the facts before you start posting stuff on here that is totally wrong.
Way to call someone you dont know a scam. Joe is a great guy with a great idea that is working out GREAT. Talk to them. meet them. if you stilll think they are a scam then go ahead and call them one.
It is not a scam plain and simple you are their network. Each of you is a little piece of it. The more little boxes (Routers) the more robust the network. They are actually quite intelligent. Get other people to pay for their infrastructure growth and provide buildout. Only issue i would be concerned with is privacy and security.
From their own site you can get the numbers:
$80 million a month in revenue.
70% will go to pay “investors” = $56 million
Target # of investors 1.4 million
$56 M / 1.4 M = $40 a month per “investor”
That is the maximum if EVERYTHING goes perfect and they share revenues equally. But of course they are not because up chain people have to get more.
Just on the face of it, I don’t see how someone could even pay for the phone line, not to mention the Internet portion of the bill. This just doesn’t add up.
As a business owner myself, I am always skeptical about new investment opportunities, and this one right off the bat sounded very enthusiastic. I became aware of the voiparty network when a friend of mine sent me some links to their site with some video information. It all sounded legitimate and up to par, and eventually I spoke with someone from the company who also sounded very sincere about the whole program. I was seconds away from giving my credit card information when I had a thought to just check into things a little more before I decide.
The thing that I couldn’t figure out was why I was going to pay nearly $300 for equipment from Voiparty, then $50+ per month for a land line I don’t have yet, (I just use cell these days), plus whatever other fees are associated like the annual one I heard about here, for something that is going to occupy space in my home? I would never pay to allow a tenant stay at any of my apartments, why should I pay to have a telephone pole built in my living room? If anything, shouldn’t this company pay me $300 to put one of these boxes in my house and use my phone line? Then, pay me whatever annuities are due on a monthly basis after that, as long as the cute little box is allowed to have free room and board afterward.
Only makes sense folks.
Hello Andrew,
The reason they are not paying you $300 to put the box in your home, is because ” you have to have SOME skin in the game”
Plus, they are using your existing high speed internet connection. This saves them millions in overhead, which is why they can charge less to terminate calls, providing the least cost route and giving the difference back to the box owners. Try this link. This was very helpful in getting my questions answered. http://www.freeofthebox.com/legacy There’s a 5 min video and a FAQ section.
Best, Steel
well if putting the magic box in my house is going to save them millions then i would have skin involved already because i would be saving them money right off the bat why should i pay them to save them money they should give the boxes to people who want to be involved and getting paid a percentage for doing so and whats with the annual fee you would already be making them way more money then they are ever going to pay you for doing it in the first place just think how fast they would explode and grow if they did that the truth is they need our capitol to continue there venture with promises of return
Ok, here’s the truth. Like most, I was skeptical because it seemed to easy. Plug it in and get paid right? Well, I did a bunch of DD and went to FL to the office for a tour. After this, I did buy a box.
I have plugged it in and have received actual checks in the mail and they have all cleared. The company is legit. Cisco-Linksys makes the boxes. Now that I know, I have shared this with my family and friends because I know they could use an extra $2000 a month. This is what I believe most will make.
Some of the first members will see $20,0000, $50,000 and even $100,000 a month. I know I didn’t get in that early and I am a realist, but I will gladly take $2,000 a month for doing absolutely nothing but buying the box and plugging it in. It seriously is the easiest money I have ever made.
Best of luck to all that have bought and to those of you who do not, Thank you. Yes, thank you for being a customer because the ones with the boxes make the money from the ones who who do not have boxes.
I found this 5 minute video to be very informative and some FAQ’s that will answer every one of your doubts and questions. http://www.freeofthebox.com/legacy you might have to cut and paste. Hope this helps,
Steelman
Just did a little math and from what I read they’re expecting anywhere from 1.3 to 1.4 million people to make a complete network, how much are they expecting to bring in annually in revenue. To pay 1.4 million people an annual income of $30.000 which is no where near any form of financial independence it will cost the company 42 billion. This doesn’t even follow a pyramid scheme formula. So the big question is how is more than 42 billion dollars of revenue generated and based on this math how could one even dream of financial independence by getting into this network.
Approximately $80,000,000 (million) a month is what will be paid out to the box owners. Not everyone is going to make the same amount of money. If you want the big checks, you need to get in early. Most will see $2000 a month and this is only on Phase 2. There are plans for 5 phases right now where much more money will be generated by the boxes.
There are plans for nationwide retail phone service, internet service, iTV which will all go through these VoiParty boxes. The bottom line is everyone is going to make much more money than the cost of the box.
Best to everyone,
Steelman
Steelman… You write that “most will see $2000 a month.” Others mention the same amout or more. You don’t get this just by signing up yourself, right? How many other people do you need to convince to join voiparty to reach the $2000 level? What else are these income estimates based on?
Best of luck to you.
Considering,
First and foremost, we are not looking for anyone right now to buy a device and not spread the word and refer new members. We are building an peer to peer InterExchange network through word of mouth, viral marketing. If someone buys a device and doesn’t refer anyone that does not help us grow. To achieve the $2000 a month level, you would have 729 connection devices in your network. In our forced matrix and compensation plan, this is easily achieved with bringing in only 3 like minded persons who would also spread the word. After about 6-8 months of your 3 initial referrals having others buy these you would be at your 729 and make $2257 a month and it would only continue to grow from there.
Considering, if you refer just 1 person you would qualify your device into the network, and would share in the revenues of the whole network. Especially since I am actively bringing new members in. You would receive a share in this. I have one person that I am working with right now that says he’s going to have 5000 sign ups within a year to a year and a half since he works with national organizations for fund raising. If this happens, you would see $5000 a month minimum. You and anyone would definitely want to sign up in my organization because of this alone.
I just don’t know where you can spend $287 one time, and have the potential to see thousands of dollars a month of residual income without anything more to buy. That was a very easy risk for me to take, a no-brainer especially since I will burn that on a good night out with nothing to show for it besides an empty wallet the next morning.
When I bought this, there were no guarantees. I bought this before the network went live. I bought this on pure faith, that the company could do what they said they were going to do. Well, it’s not in the idea stage anymore. The network is live, the devices are real, calls are terminating and fees are being generated and checks have been sent to me. I hope this helps clarify what we are doing. We are still in our infancy as well. We are approaching 20,000 members.
If you have any questions, get in touch with me. Send me your contact info.
Best,
Joe
voipartylegacy@gmail.com
@Vegitta-
For each box a person has they will pay out $36 per month from that box. With the cost of the second phone you need for this box there is barely any profit to be made. Thing the to remember is they like to talk about the people who make $30 000 per year but they don’t mention the 100 people who wont get the $36 from their box monthly to pay this one person out $30 000. So for the one person to make $30 000 in a year 100 must make nothing and still have to pay for a second phone line each month.
you can read more at my site posted under the company profile here.
@Steelman
even if you are only making $2000 a month the same idea applies. Since your box is only making $36 per month you will be being paid the revenues from 55 other peoples boxes while they making $0.
Voiparty is using the simple tactic of waving a few people making big bucks in front of everyone to lure the majority of people in to pay for their very expensive infrastructure ( the 1.4 million boxes and 1.4 million secondary phone lines). Remember a second phone line with unlimited minutes in North America is going to cost over $20 per month and for the people who don’t many any money from their boxes ( because this money is being used to pay the people you see bragging how they have making so many thousands per month) will lose money paying the extra $20 per month for absolutely nothing.
@Voiparty reviewer
I completely understand how a pyramid scheme works which is why they are disguising this one with technology. I was merely pointing out the simple math to how much money the company would have to bring in annually to make this a worth while investment for all those who say this is not a pyramid scheme. At this moment the only way to make any kind of money is to recruit others into your “downstream” where you will make $40.00 per subscriber in your downstream. This came directly from their web site. As well they state that when they reach full network saturation (1.3 million people) they are attempting to take 15% of the 150 million dollar per month from long distance carrier fees. That means they have a projected monthly intake of 22.5 million dollars where they will share 70% of those profits with the 1.3 million people with these”telephone poles” in their houses. 70% of 22.5 million is $15,750,000.00 and divided among 1.3 million people is $12.11 per month. That is if it is equally divided which it wont be because only the top 3 to 4 tiers of any pyramid will see significant money where as the remaining tiers break even or loose out completely.
If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, you can be very sure………
as said above, pyramid scheme in a new coat, but still a….
-Vegitta
I’m glad someone else notices the tricks they are up to
I have read mixed reviews and I’m debating the idea with friends and family. I have researched the good and bad. My question is, could I use my cable internet connection and my majic jak for my phone line? Would I still be able to make phone calls with my magic jak? Thank you in advance to any insight you might have.
After reading everything on VOiParty.com, and here, and at voipartyreview.com, I’ve come to a decision that this isn’t a feasable investment, and will not be a successful operation that will last for a significant length of time.
The main thing to ask in any MLM program is “why does the company need you?” Most MLM companies need you because they need people to push their products. VOiParty claims that they’re not going to use you to push products, they’re just using your services. In this case, they want to use your Internet and telephone service when you’re not using it.
So why does VOiParty need your telephone and Internet service? Why can they not call the phone and internet providers in your area and set this up yourself? Isn’t this what other businesses would do?
The reason why is because in order to use Internet and phone services the way they’re wanting to, they would have to buy a much more expensive package of phone and internet lines from your local providers. If you’ve heard of a T1, T3 or OC12 line, these are the types of connections that YOUR phone or internet provider actually have to purchase from a wholesale company, or build themselves, in order to eventually provide service to you. Additionally, they would have to buy, rent or lease one or more facilities in order to install the equipment required. And they would have to either purchase that equipment or lease it from a vendor, sometimes directly from the phone and internet providers themselves.
VOiParty would like to skip all of these expenses by working with you. With you and your friends and neighbors all joining into VOiParty, you are essentially giving VOiParty access to your local phone and internet providers’ resources without them having to pay for those services up-front. You’re already paying a slice of those companies costs with your monthly service fees. In addition, since you already own, rent or lease your home or business, VOiParty will not have to pay those fees to house their equipment. And with the small box that they provide, spread out over a wide area, they don’t have to purchase much more expensive computers and switches to connect calls.
What VOiParty promises is that you will make money by allowing them this access. But beware before you do so, there are many pitfalls that I see here.
First and foremost, read your service agreement with your telephone and Internet service providers. For most people, they’re only going to have “personal” or “residential” service. What this means is that:
A) you agree not to use your phone/internet service for anything other than what is considered “personal” use. You’re going to be using it just for yourself and individuals living in your home, you’re not going to use it for the purpose of operating a business;
B) you agree not to resell your phone/internet service;
C) you agree that you will be held liable if the phone/internet company determines you are “excessively” using the service compared to others in the area, in a manner which appears that you are using your residential/personal service as a business.
If this is the type of services you pay for (and, unless you specifically know that you signed up for a different service, you are), and you want to sign up with VOiParty, then be prepared to possibly talking to your phone and internet provider about what you’re doing, and either being charged extra for it, being forced to upgrade your account to “business” level services to continue your service, or having your accounts disconnected. Residential/personal phone and internet services specifically come with these restrictions in order to stop what VOiParty wants to do.
If you do upgrade to business class services, then woahay! The phone and internet providers are getting an extra cut of the service, and after that they pretty much don’t care what you’re doing with your service as long as it isn’t used for spam, scams, child pornography or any other illegal or ilicit activity which may be restricted in your area. Another upside is that you usually get a LOT better customer service and technical support.
But, still, you’re getting PAID for this, right? All that money that VOiParty would be spending on rent/lease of lands, buildings and equipment, as well as monthly service fees is being saved, and that should be going to you, right? But, they’re not going to pay you directly for your monthly fees for phone and internet service, they’re not going to pay you their share of your rent or mortgage for taking up space in your home either.
In fact, they’re asking YOU to pay $200 + $29/year in order to place their box in your home and connect it to your equipment and services.
HUH??
They won’t go to your phone and internet provider and ask THEM to pay that money to connect their equipment directly to their services, but they’re asking YOU to do so?
But, to be fair, they are insisting that they will pay you something for all of this. Instead of a straight dollar amount, or even a certain percentage, they’re offering you payment based on an MLM-style matrix program. Now, if you don’t know anything about MLM and matrix payments, then I would suggest that you go read up on how this works on VOiParty.com (it’s very well laid out there).
The end result? Well, maybe you’ll make some money. But, unless you’re particularly adept at multi-level marketing and a good sales person, then be aware that any money that you will make will not be because of the work that you do, but because of the work that others do. And those others will not only make their money before you make your money, they will make A LOT more of it because they know how to work the system. And most people who get themselves into this do not know how, and will most likely give up before they learn and feel that they’ve been ripped off.
Again, I’m not saying that you won’t make money here. But promises of “passive income” (that is, income merely based on being involved in the system) are mostly theoretical and just “potential” for most people. The only way to truly make “passive income” is to first aggressively make “active income” by learning how to be an adept salesperson within multi-level marketing. After your produce enough sales, and build a sales downpipe that starts selling for you, and recruits others who will sell for them, then you can essentially stop working and collect passive income. But, don’t expect to pay in your $200 + $29/year and expect to see money rolling in unless for some reason somebody higher than you puts a few big movers and shakes underneath you. Which probably won’t happen.
So, you have to pay in money instead of you being paid for your services. There’s a good possibility you won’t make money at all. And then there are the legal issues with your internet and phone provider. This doesn’t seem like a very good business plan to me at all, and essentially all of the risks of the business are put on the individuals who invest in it.
“VOiP” (Voice Over Internet Protocol) relies on bandwidth to make the voice service work. Because the typical residential customer operates on a “Non-Managed” public internet service, there are no QOS (Quality Of Service) guarantees. As a result, there are no guarantees your VOiP phone service will provide the same quality as your existing land line.
If the VOiParty agent happens to be downloading a movie from the Internet, there will be less bandwidth available to process these new phonc calls.
It is also possible the VOiParty agent subscribes to an IP-based TV service. Unless I’m missing something, something will suffer when the available bandwidth is squeezed beyond its abilities. Either the VOiP voice quality will suffer; downloads speeds will be greatly reduced, or IPTV picture quality will be negatively impacted.
Businesses which operate VOiP telephone systems, typically operate on a “Managed Internet Service” which provides QOS guarantees for voice quality. This type of Internet service costs big $$$ to maintain.
Retired,
The bandwith used is 40 kp each time a call is passed through the router. This is done approximately 300 minutes a day or 5 hours. I have had my router plugged in for almost 3 months and have never noticed any quality issues with my internet or phone…and I download a ton of stuff. There’s a good video and FAQ section at Steelman’s link above that I found helpful in my decision making process.
Sincerely,
Joe
A friend and I recently joined VOIParty AND THEN we did the numbers. They don’t make sense and was wondering what we’re not seeing. I’ll try to keep it simple:
The latest VP presentation video says we’re tapping into a $1B per month current income stream. Even if we assume Voipart takes over 100% of the industry termination and pays out 70% of that to members, divide $700,000,000 by 1,300,000 boxes (U.S. saturation) and you come up with $538.00 per month, per box! This is simplistic and not the whole story, but the bottom line is there’s no more than $1B per month to deal with.
What are we missing?
Michelle,
Not everyone is going to make an equal amount of money. You will make an amount that is in proportion to how many gateways are in your network. You should have about 2000 withing a year. If you have that, then you should see $2000-$3000 a month. If you joined recently, you will see some big checks. You are still in the first 1–2% of members. Right now there are about 15,000 members. The people that wait around for a year or 2 will still make money $500 ish a month(more than the box costs) but the big money will be made by those who got in early. These people including you and myself will see $2,000, $3,000, $5,000 a month. This may take 6-8 months before you see those amounts. My first few checks were small, $43, $186, $227, $500, $129. As the company continues to grow over the next few years, you will be extremely happy with your income.
Remember, there are more phases coming out too, that will generate revenue to the box owners as well; Retail phone service, internet service and iTV.
The link on Steelman’s post above has 2 five minute videos and one goes over the comp. plan.
Congratulations on joining,
Joe
So Joe, are you saying that if you buy in now (a week later), and don’t recruit a single other person under you “then you should see $2000 to $3000 a month,” again without doing another thing? You said your checks initially were small and now they’ve grown. Have you done no recruiting? Thanks.
Considering the Plan,
That is incorrect. You will not see $2000-$3000 a month if you just buy a box and plug it in. You will get free long distance so you can get rid of your home long distance calling plan and save the $20-$25 a month to offset the cost of the device. This is not what our opportunity is about.
I have been referring new members to our network. I have had 2 more members that I brought in over the last 4 days. There were almost 500 sign ups between them.
I want to be very clear here. We are building a network of 1.3 million users/devices. No one should buy a device and join our network if you are not committed to refer more people to the network. You would not qualify to join us. On the other side, no one should buy more than 1 device, unless you are buying it for someone else.
If you are a business professional and want to become involved with us, and make some great income, you must commit to helping us build our network by referring new members to us.
VoiParty, Inc. will be paying out $50 million to $60 million a month to it’s members and the amount you will receive will be in proportion to the amount of new members you were responsible for bringing in.
Don’t buy a device unless you are willing to put in some work and spread the word. My personal goal is to bring 18 people in, and I hope they all do the same until the network is full. I hope that helps clarify your question. there is a video link and more info on our facebook page. look at us there http://www.facebook.com/voiparty
I hope all this helps and if you have any questions, get in touch with me.
Once again each box only makes $40 per month. If 1% of the people make money 99% don’t. Their whole “business opportunity” is based on signing up people. Any legit MLM company focuses on their products first and not the “business opportunity”.
it may only be the top 1%-2% right now but that is only IF they get 1 300 000 people more from the 15 000 that have joined right now. They had about 4000 in January so this 1 300 000 seems pretty far away.
Also if they do get 1 300 000 be aware the top 40 people will average making $145 000 per month all most likely close personal friends of the owners of the company for having their little box which makes.. $40 per month! Those 40 will only make 10% of the total payouts each month for 1 300 000 people…
so 1 285 000 spots to be filled up how long might that take? are they even growing.
Actually their website traffic has been declining, 20% lower in the last 3 months
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voiparty.com#
So 6 months in business with about 15 000 people signed up an average of 83 per day and their business it not growing?
How long might they take to reach 1 300 000. 2 years? they would only need 1760 people joining daily ( 50 000 per month ). At their current rate of 83 per day it would take 42 YEARS! even with more people signing up their traffic to their site is declining.
You can now see why their phase 2 is soo vague….. and may turn into the quick dine and dash! succeed or fail the people at the top have made a fortune!
But the people in voiparty will blindly follow, telling everyone they will make residual income of several thousand a month and its a great business opportunity quoting the same meaningless figures.
Remember if you want a refund and all else fails call you credit card company or paypal and get the charges reversed.
Reviewer,
VoiParty, Inc. will reach it’s 1.3 million members sooner than you think. You have to consider exponential growth. If 15,000 current members refer just 1 person to the company, that doubles to 30,000. Then you have 30,000 members referring just 1 new person, that takes you to 60,000 members. By doubling every few months, you could see how quickly 1.3 million users will be reached. There’s 6-7 doubling periods to reach capacity. Now most are referring 3, 4, 5, 6 people to the company so you could see how the network will fill up. We even have a couple people here in Denver that have brought in 18-20. VoiParty will eventually launch a national advertising campaign to sell the rest of the boxes needed to complete the network.
We are live right now as well. Calls are terminating. The only issue is that there are a few thousand boxes not showing up in the network. This is because these people have bought the boxes but have not plugged them in yet, or some are still waiting on delivery. Some still need to enter their dedicated phone number into the system. Other than that everything is delivering as promised so I don’t need to be asking for a refund. I have made a ton more money than I paid for the box ($287)
And yes, you are correct. Each box generates $40. We are paid an average of 4% per box in our network. If I end up with 2000 boxes in my network, over the next 6-8 months, that’s 2000 x $40 each =$80,000 x 4% = $3200 a month for doing nothing but buying a box, plugging it in and spreading the word. Easy money.
This is only 1 avenue of income too. Box owners will also make money when Retail phone service is launched, internet service and Phase 5 iTV. By having all of this, every single person even the 1, 300,000 th person will see a minimum of $500 a month. That’s $6,000 a year of passive, residual income. Maybe you are a mult-millionaire, financially independent and you don’t need any extra money. Most people that I know would be extremely happy to have an extra $6,000 a year.
I am not here to sell you on VoiParty. You are obviously not buying a box and that’s ok. I just want people that are here to get the truth from an actual person in the company not a Debbie Downer and remember, every time you make a phone call whether from a land line or cell phone, we are making money on you. Thank you for being our customer and keep paying your phone bill.
The rest of you can see us on Facebook as well under VoiParty Legacy
and watch the overview at the link on Steelman’s post.
Sincerely,
Joe
The company is increasing its members but there is NO doubling effect there are less people signing up per day then there were 3 months ago. If they aren’t experiencing exponential growth this early there are serious problems down the road. Look at the alexa.com data at the bottom
In January they had around 3000 members and their member sign ups have already died off dramatically with only a 12000 increase in 6 months. There is no “doubling” occurring and like I have shown there is a decrease in traffic and sign ups. The last 6 months in trends show that as more people sign there is NO increase in sign ups in the next months.
Saying everyone will make $500 per month is meaningless unless you provide the projections and sales to produce this for someone who has ZERO matrix under them as 66% of members will not have a matrix at any given point and time.
If you make more ($3200 per month) someone else makes less then the average. Those people who make less then $40 per month and more like $1 per month will lose money, I don’t think they will be happy. Look at their comp plan each person will average $40 per month so the vast majority are always making next to nothing!
through the stats from http://www.alexa.com we can even see how their site traffic is doing! If there was exponential growth there would be an increase in site traffic instead we find…..
Percent of global Internet users who visit voiparty.com:
1 month 0.00257 -24% Change in Reach over the trailing 1 month period
3 month 0.00324 -19% Change in Reach over the trailing 3 month period
The percentage of visits to voiparty.com that consist of a single pageview:
1 month 38.20000 +16% Change in Bounce % over the trailing 1 month period
3 month 32.50000 +27%
Their traffic is decreasing dramatically and there is an increase in the number of people who only visit one page and then go away.
I use the numbers directly from their comp plan and have shown their ACTUAL growth they are experiencing. Nothing is speculated and everything is based on FACT of what is really happening in the real world. My whole site is based 100% on the comp plan posted above, its in black and white.
They will be lucky to reach 30 000 members by the end of the year at the rate they are going.
Everyone defending voiparty seems to be reading the same script.
“Sign up a few people and you will make extra money each month” FALSE the vast majority will make nothing as shown in their own comp plan.
“They will reach 1.3 million people and then compensate the people at the bottom” FALSE there is no comp plan showing this nor is there any REAL foretasted projections to show their growth. In fact they are already in the process of crashing and burning as their traffic has dropped almost 25% after their launch.
I could have joined pre launch but didn’t as after I looked at them in a little detail I saw exactly what they were up to. Instead I am trying to save people money as $200 is a lot of money to some people.
$287 is chump change compared to what the members will make. (unless someone is a poor college student. Or if they are not a poor college kid and if they don’t have an extra $287 then they are doing something wrong with their financial decisions in life)
I will entertain your idea that the person at the bottom, the 1,300,000th person will have 0 people in their network. Let’s pretend there are no more phases coming out to generate revenue (retail phone, internet service and iTV, or international when the global network is complete) either.
This person buys a VoiParty gateway. $0 coming in. Now most people pay around $20-$30 for unlimited long distance through their home phone plans. They can now drop this, saving the $20-$30 a month. They can place unlimited long distance calls through their VoiParty router forever. This saves them $240-$360 a year. See, after one year they are ahead compared to the cost of the box. They never loose any money.
Also, VoiParty, Inc. will be launching an app for smart phones as well for free long distance. This will allow cell phone users to drop the long distance/roaming package from their plan and have a stripped down local calling plan with free LD from the app on their cell phone.
I know you will try and knit pick this apart as well, but the bottom line is, a member will never loose money by joining our network. That actually is the worst case scenario, free LD and they can drop that part of their calling plan, saving money and recouping the cost of the box.
Everyone, if you are doing your DD, find us on facebook.
facebook.com/voiparty
Best,
Joe
not only the 1 300 000 person will be at the bottom. No matter how you look at it 66.6% of the total “party” at any time will have no network it’s FACT (draw it out and keep adding in levels of 3 under each person….). 15 000 people are joined now so 9990 people have zero network. At the end of their wonderful 3x matrix of 1 300 000 people over 1 million people will have less then 1 level filled in under them.
So these people get “free” long distance why not go with the other dozen voip companies that offer this exact or better service at a cheaper price.
Soo the basic point are.
-Some people will make thousands per month.
-66.6% will always have ZERO network and get nothing from the current comp plan
-those 66.6% according to their full video http://corporate.voiparty.com/opportunity2.php will need a second phone line with unlimited local minutes to plug into.
-This only costs $287 plus their service or membership charge of $30 per year.
-Those 66.6% will have to pay the above charges but get basic voip service which includes long distance”
- Other companies offer that same voip service at a cheaper price as in $40 and $20 per year. This is the alternative to those 66.6%. It’s not free long distance its just cheaper then tradition phone lines but more expensive then the competition.
- These 66.6% and probably the group with only one level under them for a total of about 80% of the “party” have “promises” of second phases to make them all rich to as the currently comp plan doesn’t benefit them.
-Their website traffic has declined by over 20% in the last 3 months. This indicates their monthly sign ups is decreasing.
Voiparty promoters will continue to flog about the great income “opportunities” and saying its risk free and there is nothing to lose like every other new MLM that jumps into the market.
I looked at their comp plan beyond “you sign up a few people and make money and get “free” long distance there is no risk!” and broke down their comp plan accounting how every dollar would be distributed according to their expected revenues to all their members according to their comp plan.
Not trying to convince people who have already signed up
but..
Please if thinking of signing up save your money. If you want voip service you can easily find a cheaper alternative.
I have some concerns with this Voiparty stuff. A family member bought this and for two months has been contacting Voiparty to try to get them to help her set it up. I’ve been calling Voiparty to try to help her. She didn’t plug it in to a modem, she plugged it in to a extra phone line box that she purchased from her current telephone/cable company. When you call Voiparty tech support you get a woman who claims she’s not tech support and that tech support only does remote access. When asked if she needed to have the box plugged into an internet modem rather than the phone line, “not tech support lady” replied, “I don’t think it matters”. And let me ask you this, how can tech support remotely access something that we’ve already explained is not hooked up because their one page photo copied instructions are useless? Also this lady told us that people are already making money, after a while on the phone when my frustration got a little higher she calmed me by telling me not to worry because the system wasn’t even running yet….huh? How are people making money then?…If anyone can clear this up that would be great, I’m ready to let the dog chew on the voiparty box.
Chris Z,
People are making money on the boxes. We are live, and calls are terminating. However, there are 20,000 members right now in the network and about half of those boxes are not plugged in or not done correctly, do not have their dedicated phone line set up yet, etc. There is a video in your family members back office that shows how to install it with different options. It shouldn’t take more than about 5 minutes to hook it up.
I have a Linksys 4 port router that I use. I went from the modem to that router. Then from 1 port in the router, to the Voiparty phone box. The second dedicated phone line plugs directly into the VoiParty box. In a different port of the Linksys router I have my computer hooked there. You can also plug a phone into the VoiParty Boxes other port to call and receive free local and long dsitance calls with the Phone number VoiParty assigned your family member.
If you have any other questions, email me and I can walk you through it, but try the video in the tech support section in the back office.
jmassarotti@yahoo.com
Best,
Joe
“she plugged it in to a extra phone line box that she purchased from her current telephone/cable company”
“The second dedicated phone line plugs directly into the VoiParty box”
Would anyone care to expand on how much this extra dedicated phone line is costing them per month?
Here are a few posts from my site of people saying how much this is costing them
“Well, I am a voiparty vip member and we pay around $29 per month (taxes and fees included) for our dedicated landline, unlimited local calling only.”
“My new dedicated line cost me $49.95 per month (Verizon)”
So people are paying $30-$50 per month to run a box which will only generate $40 per month? Never mind if you are making more, your ONE box is only making $40 per month just like everyone else.
I would also consider the no monthly fees advertised by Voiparty a lie since you may not be paying them to Voiparty but you will incur monthly fees to be plugged in.
I pay $10 a month for an extra dedicated line. The need for a second line will also disappear in a few months when primary numbers port over the the device. The $40 per box that you speak of was only an estimate to use for the compensation plan. It’s actually about double that and different geographical areas generate more revenue.
I just received this email from corporate. It’s exciting news!
“Speaking of new revenue streams…
We are making final preparations to launch our iPhone application later this month, followed soon thereafter by mobile apps for Symbian, Blackberry, Android and Windows Mobile. This push into Mobile VOiP will open up a global market expected to reach 3 billion customer within the next decade. In fact, there are nearly 50 million smart phones in the USA alone and hundreds of millions around the globe. Best of all, our unique tunneling technology makes the VOiParty GoParty Mobile application the only viable solution for smart phone users in more than 20 different countries. Talk about a captive audience for all of us to create recurring monthly revenues. These Applications will be products featured on your personal websites’ newly created shopping cart. Here you will have access to products and services from Marketing Tools to Retail products and more. We anticipate that this section will continuously grow and expand as we roll out new and exciting products and services.
In addition to all of this, we are completing the web interface for the telephony features of your VOiParty device. This same interface will be used by retail customers who purchase VOiParty GoParty Mobile Applications and international calling plan minutes. There you will be able to access all of your telephone features and see our incredible wholesale international calling rates.
Finally, we have saved the best for last…
In our efforts to build the network as quickly as possible, we are presently developing an Enterprise version of the VOiParty Connection Device. This device will allow businesses to take advantage of the same benefits enjoyed by VOiParty members, but on a much larger scale. Although final details are not available as of yet, you can anticipate that commissions and monthly residuals will be many times that of the current Residential version of the VOiParty Connection Device. Every device sold will represent 20 members in your downline, allowing us to quickly achieve desired density in specific target areas. This will be a proprietary device issued in a VERY LIMITTED RELEASE subject to our current production capabilities. More exiting details to follow…
Plug IN and Get Paid!
The VOiParty Team.
Just a little FYI for anyone who is considering joining our network and taking advantage of our incredible business opportunity. See our presentation at, free of the box dot com slash legacy
Sincerely,
Joe
VoiParty started paying members for call terminations. That means that the slogan “Get Paid for Being Plugged In!” is now a reality. VoiParty will allow members to profit from the ever expanding use of communications technologies. If you haven’t check it out yet. Talk to a local VoiParty Members for More information.
Reviewer, are you basing your comments on actual trial? I am a little confused about some of your statement. How do you know each box makes only $40 per month? I want to know where you get your evidence. I hope this doesn’t sound sarcastic because I sincerely want to know. I watched the video and tele-seminars. They are explaining it differently that you are so I want to know where you get your facts? Is it from actually joining and trying the service?
Also, it only cost $8.87 for me to add a second phone line with att. (I just checked online)
As for the allegations of the phone companies contracts, Voiparty has been providing this service for over a year now. Have there been any law suits, complaints from Voiparty box uses? I didn’t see any on the BBB web page.
@ Voiparty, feel free to comment.
Thanks for this forum. It’s a huge help. I have been looking for home based businesses since I was laid off after 10 years of service.
Valsglas,
$36.50 per box is used in the written compensation plan as an example to illustrate how everyone is paid. The network is live and has been for a couple of months. The devices are actually generating double that. My friend’s mom in Hawaii bought one and her box generated just under $200.
There are also no lawsuits. This is the greatest home based opportunity you will ever see. There is a link in Steelman’s post above, (free of the box slash legacy) where you can see all the information and get your questions answered. I hope this helps.
Great News!!!
I just received a telephone call today from Paul Jorgenson, the Chief Operating Officer and Co-Founder of VOiParty, Inc. He called me regarding a few other items, but I went ahead and asked him the question. Potential members want to know if they will make money if they are one of the last members with no downline under them.
He said that they do make money on their own devices plus they get free long distance calling which is what we have said before. By dropping your long distance plan on your primary line, this saves on average $25-$30 a month, paying for the box over 9-10 months.
Anyway, here’s the exciting part. When Phase 3 launches in roughly 24 months, which is our retail phone service, Voiparty will be in a position to capture 20 million new customers.
All 1.3 million members that bought the devices during phase 2 will see revenue from the 20 million new retail customers. So whoever is the 1,299,999th member or the 1,300,000th member, they will be making a lot of money on 20 million retail customers. Paul Jogenson said the legal department will not let the company disclose these projections becasue the numbers are too big.
Join us now while we are still in our infancy. Our network is live, calls are being terminated and income is being generated. Go to the link in Steelman’s post up above the free ofthe box link. Watch our presentation and get signed up right away, or if you have any questions, get in contact with me and get them answered.
Buy a device. Refer just 1 person and qualify for $131 a month in residual income. Refer 2 people to us and qualify for $663 a month in residual income or refer 3 new people to VoiParty and qualify for $2260 a month in residual income. The more people you refer to Voiparty, the more money you can make and it’s all residual income! Phase 3 will turn many of our Phase 2 members into millionaires but again, this is still 24 months out before this would happen. For now, get started with us and take the $2260 a month. See the opportunity at freeofthebox dot com slash legacy