The VoiParty website describes their new MLM opportunity this way:
Turn Your Existing Phone and Internet Service into a lucrative Home Based Business.
Voiparty is the world’s first international peer-to-peer IXC network. IXC or Inter-Exchange Communications is a multi-billion dollar monthly revenue stream generated on the wholesale side of the telecommunications industry. This passive income stream has never been offered as a home based business opportunity. Through our unique network architecture you can plug into this revenue stream by simply connecting your home telephone and internet to our VoiParty Connection device. This is a home based business opportunity unlike anything that has ever seen before.
The idea seems brilliant. If you have a high speed Internet connection and have an area code in the USA or Canada (only countries open as of this review date), you can buy their equipment earn money by serving as an incoming router for Internet calls into your area code.
Uniquely, VoiParty is saying up front that this a “limited time” opportunity. Evidently, after they have sufficient portals in each area code, they will not need more
Voiparty is structured in such a way, that for a limited time – you can become a VIP member and get paid to help grow our network.
The Company: The VoiParty website gives the follow information about the company:
Voiparty is a technology holding company formed in 2005 with the express purpose of turning a brilliant idea into a reality. Our founders have over 50 years of combined experience in the field of telecommunications, e-commerce and internet marketing. Over the past four years we have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of man hours to develop the technology that has allowed us to create the world’s first peer-to-peer interexchange carrier.
Founders and Executives:
VoiParty Compensation Plan: a 3 x 12 forced matrix with qualifications to get paid on the deeper levels. Download the Comp Plan PDF.
(Caution: while there is nothing inherently wrong with a “forced matrix” plan, they usually come with a promise of “”spillover.” Spillover occurs when your sponsor or other people in your upline place people below you. The ‘whole truth’ is that spillover only happens if you have a sponsor or upline close to you in the matrix who are recruiting lots of people. Often, that is not the case.)
Costs: $199 one time for the equipment and $29 per year. Beyond that the company claims that there are “No Quotas, No Monthly Minimums, and No Monthly Recurring Fees.”
Return Policy or Guarantee: see Policies and Procedures
VoiParty Policies and Procedures
VoiParty LLC
42223 Del Prado Blvd. S.
Cape Coral, FL 33904
Critical Review: VoiPartyReview.com posts some important analysis to consider.
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I am a little concerned that Voiparty may be a scam. No detailed biography is available for any of the principals. Nobody answers their phone. Emails are not returned.
There is also the charge on scam.com that your home phone could be used to funnel spam phone calls through your number and that is where the real money is. I don’t know very much about telcom industry, like most people, so we all could be easily sucked into something that sounds good but is , in fact, no good.
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Colm,
I understand your concerns. However, I have met with Joe Machado and Ciro Martinez. I do have a Voiparty “telephone pole” as they call it and so far, all looks legit.
Joe is a very transparent guy and the amount of money they collect for the “poles” is clearly not enough to “scam” anyone in my opinion. VP has a 5000+ sq ft. facility, employees and 2 Net work operation centers as well as a POP. All this is overhead for the company and they would have sell thousands and thousands of boxes each month just to break even, hardly worth the trouble when you understand the IXC market place.
The real money will be made in the wholesale IXC market. If you understand this market place you’ll understand the upside which is 100 times the potential of selling boxes and routing spam calls as projected on a website you may have seen.
Scam.com is a site that looks for scams and will do anything it can to get press, that is what all websites are ultimately about, getting visitors and profiting from such. As we all know the Enquirer makes a fortune speculating on things.
Yes, I’m a participating agent. However, I have been in the industry a while and so far what I see looks like a tremendous opportunity, free from any type of illegitimate activities.
I have had over 20 personal phone calls with Joe, met him twice, met his wife and I truly believe these guys are for real and most importantly honest.
Only time will tell how Voiparty’s opportunity and business plan play out, but I am happy to be on board the Voiparty ship.
Tom Russo
tom@voipartyusa.com
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Regarding VoIParty (Voice over Internet Protocol) I have some questions that need to be answered before I would jump on the deal.
First and foremost I would need a clear explanation of how, how meaning what kind of equipment, is the parent company who cuts the commission check, going to be using to monitor each persons “box” or minutes?
I worked for Verizon Americast for 3 years and while Americast was their cable services division I was in a building with all the accounting and techie folks whom I milked continually for information.
One very funny and alarming fact I found, was the fact that Verizon (GTE Bell) lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe more but could get none of accounting to give me solid figure) every month due to billing errors caused by technical problems with equipment.
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Does the FCC authorize Voiparty or what? let me know…
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Sunny,
I spoke with Joe Machado, the CEO about this. At this point, Voiparty is not required to be authorized to terminate calls via the FCC.
Once Voiparty hits the retail phase in 12-24 months, we will then have to get specific licenses to continue this type of business.
For now, Warren and Warren is their legal firm and they appear to be doing business the right way.
Tom Russo
Sr. Vice President
Voipartyusa.com
tom@voipartyusa.com
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FCC does not regulate this king of business if you don’t beleive it look at skype they are not regulated by the FCC. This is not a scam it is a legitimate business opportunity.
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I am considering joining under the sponsorship of a long time friend whose integrity I trust. However, I am not sure that my friend has clearly resolved the question “What happens to the last level of people who get on the VOIParty bus?” That is, when the system reaches full saturation – which all MLM systems MUST at some point, how do the folks who cannot then have a “downline” end up knowing that they at least got their money’s worth out of their $200+ investment? I have heard talk of “free phone service” and/or X%$ payouts for access to these end users’ “phone poles”, but this is all a little fuzzy to me still. Can you direct met to the company’s written policies on this? – Thanks, Chris Gruener
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Great question about what happens down the road, assuming this effort gets close to full saturation. Success is often enough the biggest killer of a non-scalable enterprise.
Setting aside legal questions raised by others, this could be designed as a scalable technology, but still, what happens to the lowest level people – what’s in it for them? The answer that they still get a percentage of revenue generated by calls through their node clearly means they get less than other people who benefit from having downline people.
The VoiParty designers could do something else, however, if they choose. They could make the upfront cost that much cheaper. They could give a higher percentage of the revenue to those lowest on the totem pole. There could be sharing of revenue across all members, who all benefit from the network effect of greater participation by more people. That’s how I would design a MLM system, to be more fair to later participants, thus making it an easier sell to be an earlier participant.
But another thing to keep in mind is what happens to your phone bill and internet service bill down the road. If this system is successful, that will take away profits from the phone companies, who will have to raise prices to compensate their fixed costs. It will also increase bandwidth usage through internet services and the cost of increasing the installed capability will also be passed on to end users. So it might end up costing about the same as it does now.
So the real question, for the survival of the business, is whether this is actually more or less efficient overall compared to a more centralized approach as we have now. Letting the local phone companies manage the distribution of their long-distance termination points could be more efficient than letting many independent individuals buy into owning a part of that network. I am all in favor of increasing distribution rather than centralization, for greater reliability and sharing of wealth, but we should also factor in the efficiency question. A little inefficiency and redundancy is probably worth it, but not a lot.
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Hi Chris,
I think that it is one of the best questions that anyone could ask of any MLM company because even if it doesn’t influence you it could potentially influence many people at saturation. It is one that I asked of Voiparty too.
I am not the end all when it comes to this answer but I believe that I am fairly accurate in my understanding of the answer as it was explained to me.
The compensation plan outlines only the compensation that a person makes on Bonus Volume and the termination of minutes each month created within a person’s down line. What it does not specifically address is the compensation that will be created for distributors in the retail part of the business. This is the shock absorber, if you will, that will allow Voiparty to transition from the network building phase into the retail phase of their growth and still create income for all of its members. They haven’t disclosed the specifics of how this will work exactly nor have they guaranteed that the return will be as available as it is for those enter early but it has been discussed on many occasions.
They are very aware of this transition period and have assured me and others that they will not leave anyone behind…however, I will throw in that, as is the case with any opportunity, it is always best to get in as early as possible to realize the greatest return. Did you ever have someone suggest a stock to buy and you waited to see how it was going to do? Well, usually people wait too long and the best returns have already been taken by those who acted with immediacy…this may be a similar kind of crossroad for you.
I hope this helps and I wish you the best. Email me if you need more in-depth information about any part of the Voiparty opportunity at WmSarv@Gmail.com
Thanks,
Wm
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I went to the office of Voiparty. Did reaserch and looked at the operations. I understand this concept and I joined. It looks very good. Also I have been in MLM’s before the start up fee for this is low compared with other MLM’s and no minimum monthly. This is only phase 2 of this business. You must take some risks to get rewards and the risk is not that much for the potential this company has.
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Is voiparty in any way connected with vonage and does it have a similar working process and will it be competitive with vonage Thanks Leo
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No! This is offered as a business opportunity right now. VoiParty is going by phases. We are now in Phase II. This business is bigger than anyone thinks. If you want more information. Just email me. Hope this answers your questions.
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Just signed on. Someone I talked to said this is a scam. Would like more info myself. Thanks.
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Hi Leo,
I am an agent with VOIParty too. They are not in any way connected with Vonage nor do they have a similar process. They don’t even compete. VOIParty makes their money by connecting calls between 2 separate networks. So if the Vonage customer calls a Verizon customer, Vonage pays a termination fee to an interexchange carrier. So VOIParty makes money off of Vonage and any other carrier’s business.
The business is a wholesale business and that is what makes it so great. You as an agent do not have to find customers and you do not have to sell. Just plug your box in and Voiparty will provide the customers. Help grow the network and you can do well financially. I wrote an article on it at http://jointheparty.meetKevinJohnson.com
- Kevin Johnson
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Folks,
I recognize your skepticism and quite honestly agree that you should be skeptical. However, Voiparty will start to terminate (connect) calls in February 2010.
There is nothing like seeing a product in action and validating it is for real.
If you wish to hang back and wait to join, I think you should. However, if you want to come on board before the rush, join now as prices go up in February.
There are a few other benefits you’ll gain as well. If interested, call me.
Keep in mind there is a 30 day money back guarantee prior to 2.1.10
After this there will be a 30-day money back guarantee and a prorated guarantee on the provisioning aspect of the digital telephone pole since this is labor intensive.
We are getting accredited with the BBB and doing what we can to help all of you see Voiparty is for real.
For now, we wish you all the best and If I can help, my number is below.
I am an agent, not an employee of Voiparty. If you are an agent, please contact your up line.
Tom Russo
Sr. Vice President
941-518-9199
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Tom,
My sister has invited me to join and I am seriously considering this.
My two main questions at this time; Do I have to have a seperate phone line/number with DSL service or can this be run from the one I already have in my home and secondly but most importantly if VoiParty is brought up for legal charges by ANYONE can we the “telephone pole” holders in anyway be held responsible for any charges/fines etc?
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I don’t know the answer to the question about whether you need a separate phone line for use with VoiParty. If I understand how it works, calls come in via your internet service, which calls out via your phone to local area phones. So if someone is using your phone, that means you cannot.
Also, once a connection is made through your phone line, there would be no way to automatically switch over to someone else’s phone line. So if the call gets disconnected for any reason (say you are allowed to interrupt the call to use your phone) then a new call would have to be made through another connection. This would seem to be a rather severe practicality problem, unless I am misunderstanding how it works.
In comparison, the phone company could automatically switch-over calls to different long-distance termination points without the users having to make new calls or noticing any change. I don’t know if they do this now, but they could.
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I went to an informational/recruting meeting tonight, and left with more questions than I went there with. Just a couple to start: VOIparty claims to have the best lawyers and SEC guys working on their protocol, and claim it’s all legit, which I believe. However, what happens when a class-action lawsuit happens down the line and everyone who bought into the company gets hammered? It happened to Amway, with a similar MLM style matrix. I don’t sweat the initial money to get in, but I want to make sure I don’t get hit down the line by a suit that takes my house and everything I have, just because there’s fine print that someone didn’t disclose. I agree, this company sounds completely legit, I just want to make sure of the legal ramifications first, and so far no one has been able to explain it to me. Thanks!
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I watched the presentation about what and how the company will do things and found it explained about the internet service and telephone systems in a very simplified manner.
One can not fault a company for wanting to sell their service and products to will indiviuals. They will make money from the participants through the sale of the boxes, the annual fees and the revenues from calls. The problem I have is that the telephone pole analogy is wrong. You buy the box which is the pole but the line in not yours or voiparty. Some entity ATT, Time Warner or any number of internet service providers have gone through the cost of laying out and paying for the infrastruture to deliver your internet and phone services. That includes the fiber, switches, servers, employees and so on.
Service flows to you and others on your street like your electricity. All of you use some portion of the load going to your street. Everyone lives fine until someone opens an outlet mall on your street without increasing service capacity. All of you experience problems right away in the form of outages. The remedy is to increase capacity which means more lines, done by more people and more swicthes and switch rooms with more people. Which means more money and since no company really absorbs its cost it will be passed on in higher internet service fees.
Your internet service which right now is modestly priced and normally unlimited. There are moves being made to charge you by the gigabyte at very high rates compared to what they are now.
Voiparty’s offices are small because they do not have all the normal hardware to monitor. I do not believe that it is a scam because you are all adults and can do what you wish with your money. I do believe it is shortsighted and preys on the lack of knowledge of the average person. Many have no idea what is involved to make the internet work and for all they know the internet fairy gives them service when they pay their bills to the big bad service provider.
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First, I need all of you to know, I am an agent with the rank of Exec. Vice President. Many of you assumed I was an employee of VP. I am not. I can understand based on my prior title why one could assume that. I apologize for any confusion it may have caused.
You do not need a second line. However, since VP is not using its own network yet, they have purchased 3rd party VOIP lines making the quality at this point less than we would like it to be.
This will not be an issue soon, we hope in about 6 months. However, IF your phone line is your lifeline you may have issues from the standpoint of technical glitches from time to time. This is why VParty is recommending that people get a second line so that all will be happy. VParty does not want angry people and they are very transparent about where we are at in the process.
My business keeps growing and I keep working it as I believe in Joe Machado, the CEO and this product. Thank you all for the positive comments on my posts.
Tom Russo
Agent for Voiparty.
941 518 9199
p.s. I would respectfully ask you to call the person who introduced you to Vparty for questions. However, if you do not have a sponsor then I will be happy to help you get started.
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My brother-in-law emailed me that he is thinking about joining and wondered what I thought. Right now it is 50/50…still questions. At presenet, I have Time Warner as my broadband and phone carrier with a land line…no charges from SBC. My phone cost on the TW bill is around $45.00 a month…unliminted long distance in US, Canada and Mexico. I also have the privlege (cost) of a LAN line local number. I’m thninking of eliminating my LAN line (save money) and strictly using a cellphone. I understand the money making opportunity VOIP, but could you answer the following,
Could I or another party person keep my/their LAN line number at no extra charge or is ther a LEC fee to keep that? Also, with TW carrying the signal of VOIP, then I would aslo lose bandwidth…how much bandwidth would I lose? What is the QOS with this connection? I would assume that all of the boxes would need a static IP for routing? If I call from the east coast to the west coast, what would be the latency of the call?
Thank you and I look forward to a response from VOIParty.
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Voip Idiot (It is the only name I have to address you, sorry…I’ll use VI from here on)
I apologize in advance for the lengthy response but there was a lot to cover.
I can sincerely understand your frustration where MLM companies are concerned. The fact is that the majority of people that get involved in MLMs do not make money. In fact, the majority of people have probably even lost their initial investment…this will not be the case where Voiparty is concerned I have looked at many MLM opportunities but have never committed to making an opportunity work like I have with Voiparty.
I am, like Tom Russo, an EVP with Voiparty. I say this to be transparent, I think that it is important that everyone knows a person’s affiliation and/or experiences with MLMs so each of us can gain insight as to why a person may hold the views that they hold. VI, I’d like to know why you are so angry with the possibility that Voiparty might be the perfect fit for a MLM structure of marketing?
VI Wrote in italics and I’m attempting to respond immediately to each item by item:
“This is all retarded. VOIP technology is much cheaper than this buy in amount.”
- You’re right, VIOP technology is cheaper but we are not promoting or buying simple VOIP technology. We are purchasing the only piece of hardware required to get this opportunity started…you will also need a high speed Internet connection and a true unlimited local calling phone line. Once the network (1.3 to 1.4 million people) is in place, Voiparty will begin the retail phase of the program (a 5 to 12 million retail customer target) which will include competing with other companies such as Vonage with competitive rates while connecting calls with clarity to nearly every LATA in the U. S. and Canada while we, as distributors, will make money on those who utilize our services. Some will know that they are using our service as retail customers and others will not because we will be delivering or terminating their long distance calls without their being aware that we are doing so.
“And this is something that telecom industry is already doing!”
- Sure, the telecom industry is doing some of the things that Voiparty can and will do. Other companies are able to allow people to talk Internet to Internet…there is no company, however, that is doing what Voiparty does. Voiparty will be positioned to deliver or terminate long distance calls for less than any other IXC company in the U.S. or Canada. Nothing wrong with a little more competition.
“Why do you think most of the time and interest is put into the MLM recruiting structure, with very little time going over the technology?!”
- People are interested in understanding the where and how the technology works but most are more interested in how they can make money. So, it is because of human nature and that people want to know first…what is in it for them…that we address the MLM recruiting structure and besides, none of it works without the the MLM structure. Voiparty did their part by creating the technology resource and now we have to build the network.
“And if this tech was for real, why are they limited to needing thousand of idiots to join up and put one of these boxes in their homes!? Don’t you think they would just set this up themselves and keep all of their supposed ‘millions per month’ in revenue!?”
- Absolutely, I entered into this opportunity with a group of CPAs and we did the numbers…it does make sense for Voiparty to take advantage of the MLM structure of marketing. The start up overhead would be too huge to create a private or in-Voiparty only network that could do what we will be able to do from our homes implementing the Voiparty connection device and our existing internet connections. They also knew that they would have to compensate their network handsomely because of, quite frankly, negativity that you and others create due to whatever experience you have had with other MLM opportunities.
“GIANT SCAM! I’m not saying some folks won’t make some money, or haven’t already made some money, but this whole thing is a ridiculous MLM that is focused on the idea of saving money on long distance calls…..which is a retarded notion….because who pays for long distance anymore!?!?!”
- Nothing is free, and long distance calling is not any different. Somewhere within our phone services we are all paying for long distance calling. Did you ever call a land line and get a person located in India? Long distance! I just purchased a new all inclusive cell phone plan…unlimited cell to cell calling, unlimited testing, unlimited data, but only 1500 minutes per month for land line calls…which are often for long distance! Did you ever call an 800 or 900 number? Land line and usually long distance. Oh yeah, some people will state that land lines are going away…this might be true but can you tell me when that might be? One year, ten years, fifty years, or maybe never?
“When I called my cable company and asked if I could downgrade my phone to just local calling they said the low cost line I already had included long distance. And what about cell phones; who pays long distance on a cell phone?!”
- I explained this some of this already in the last item. The bottom line is that there are plenty of long distance calls being made daily in the U.S. and Canada as well as around the world.
There is much more to Voiparty than the termination of long distance minutes. If you are interested in learning more about this excellent opportunity and/or you don’t have a sponsor that can answer your questions or concerns please feel free to email me. WmSarv@Gmail.com VI, you should take a better look at this opportunity, you might find more positive than you expect. I’ll be happy to take your inquiries as well.
Good luck to all who take part in growing our network.
Thanks,
Wm
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Wow!! It seems to me that there are a lot of people with too much time on their hands. Most people I know with too much time on their hands that complain about everything don’t have a job. All haters.
Here’s the deal. VoiParty is not a scam. It is a legitimate business. Check out the BBB. Now, it remains to be seen whether the network and routing will perform the way it’s supposed to.
The way I see it, if it works (the box, calls, routing, etc) then the box owners will make a ton of money. If it doesn’t, then you are out $300 bucks or whatever the price is. So what…who cares?!?!?! Good luck to all the box owners! I just made up my mind to sign on..right now.
Steel
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I am told we could be another week out in terms of cut over. Our Leadership meeting is each Tuesday at 3 pm EST so hopefully, I will get even more information there.
On a more positive note, I spoke to a gentlemen who goes to the corporate sponsored LOCAL meeting each week as it is only about 1 hour for him. He sees Joe Machado each week and gets a good pulse on the inner workings. His passion and commitment to this business is nothing short of amazing. He made a very interesting point to me. He said, right now many people are just sitting back and watching and we are still growing. What will happen when we actually cut checks to all you and you all see that we have a viable product? This business will explode. We have people coming in and on our waiting list based on faith, trust and hope. What will happen when all of this becomes a reality and YOU get a check for the IXC fees?
I think the growth we will see will be staggering. Many people need concrete proof that this is for real before they will stake their reputation on it. Once we do, look out!
Where are you? Will you sit back and wait to take action or will you take that first step and build a team so that when the REALITY hits the fan, you can benefit from the growth?
We are only a month away (in my opinion) to seeing ALL that has been talked about. The finalized site, the new professional video, the new back office, the new 3×12 matrix, the proof that our poles work and can terminate calls and generate income. I hope you realize it is coming, Joe is on the corporate call each week and our leadership calls twice per week. He is working 12-15 hours per day. He is not hiding. It will happen. Now, understand I am not saying you won’t see any of this for a month, I just think we will see all of it in a month.
We DO have the bios up and we do have terms and conditions and policies and procedures. We are testing the boxes this month, several hundred actually. We are making progress, just not as quickly as all of us would like to see.
Those who have the vision to see the potential that VoiParty offers will be the ones who reap the greatest rewards. Those who sit by waiting for the proof will wish they had taken action.
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This idea is very suspect. The figures they are quoting for the IXC traffic is for the total volume they carry. Unfortunately, more than 80% of this traffic is originated by corporations and not residential customers. The company will not be competing for that traffic so their assumptions are incorrect. It is true that VOIP technology is making a dent in the IXC carriers revenue but that is because it never hits their switches. Examples are Skype, AIM etc. More and more people are giving up their fixed home lines in favor of their cell phones and this is a trend that will continue to happen. The question I have is why would anyone want to buy their box, maintain a high speed Internet connection AND an unlimited calling fixed line in exchange for “potential” revenue. People are cutting these costs today, not ramping then up.
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Hello,
I had told myself I would never get sucked into another Network Marketing type business again, unless such an opportunity had not only a great product but the pay plan and organization were top notch and legit. When I first received an email regarding Voiparty, I will admit I deleted it right away. Something later told me to look at this again. This is a very smart idea and a good opportunity from everything I have read regarding it. Time will tell but I am now glad I hopped on board with this because it’s not only a good idea, it’s also very interesting to me.
Just my two cents worth!
Steve
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I think you should read your subscriber agreement for your high speed internet service. Mine (Comcast) states in 5b Prohibited Uses of the Service
A portion “the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the service for operation as…….or any similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-pointon a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network”
I did skip a lot of text, but the point is check out your agreement.
Oh yes, they (Comcast and all) can monitor where the internet packet comes from, where its going and whats in the packet. They can also raise your monthly cost if you use to more bandwidth than your agreement allows. They of course can cut you off if your bad.
By the way, Comcast is in the communication business also.
Just a thought to consider..
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People must realize that this is not MLM, this is what we have been looking for, its Referal marketing. We are not earning money from our downline. We are sharing in the revenue of the company. How would you like to get paid for refering someone to go see a movie and then get paid for all the people that they refer down 12 levels? Not in this lifetime, well this is the next best thing, we get paid for refering people to just buy a device and plug it in. There is nothing more to buy, no more money to spend nothing. Nothing could be more perfect. This is a real no brainer.
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